From: tgpedersen
Message: 64267
Date: 2009-06-26
>No one, actually, someone got to be the first. I think I'll make a handsome bronze bust. I am also modest and have many more appealing characteristics.
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> --- On Thu, 6/25/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> > That's almost too funny. You knew zilch about the archeology of
> > Germania
> >
> > GK: Again, the usual red herring. The archaeology and "factual
> > events" I am referring to are those of Easternmost Europe. in the
> > first c. BCEl
>
> Well, say so, since the part from Przeworsk onwards is close to
> being standard now.
>
> ****GK: Who else besides you believes that Germanic originated with
> the carriers of Przeworsk?****
>Yes, most other people feel uncomfortable having opinions which differ from those of their contemporaries. But a few daring individuals gaze boldly over the horizons of the centuries.
> It would rather seem that you have realized you can't fight the
> part between Przeworsk and Wetterau, since you realized it is now
> or will be communis opinio.
>
> ****GK: I think you're the only one here in permanent conflict with
> communis opinio.
> Again, who else believes that Germanic spread westwards fromAs I said, that is a discovery I made, and I am rather proud of it.
> Przeworsk with Ariovistus?
> AFAIK communis opinio remains that Germanic is to be primarilyI don't disagree with that. I think Proto-Proto...Germanic came that way (perhaps) and Proto-Germanic was spoken in Przeworsk, in the sense that all the Germanic languages we know some contens of were descended from that.
> associated with Jastorf in the BCE period, and that other
> Continental cultures become Germanic to the extent that Jastorf
> moves eastward from the 4th c. BCE.****
>What on earth are you talking about?
> >
> > There were Charudes
> >
> > GK: Who were not Slavs.
>
> Baseless assumption again. The genetics matches, and people change > languages.
>
> ****GK: Priceless. The Charudes did not speak Slavic, but they had
> "Slavic genetics"? (:=)))??? ****
> >The Slavs grunt and wheeze? Where did this come from? Not from anything I wrote.
> > GK: I would accept this. The standard view is that originally
> > the "Croats" were a non-Slavic (perhaps Iranic?) group which
> > later mingled with some Slavs and transferred their name to them
> > (something akin to the "Bulgar" phenomenon, and I could give
> > other examples).
> >
> > Tanis is another area with high concentration of haplogroup I.
> >
> > GK Whatever that proves it doen't prove Slavdom"
>
> No, but it proves Haruditude.
>
> ****GK: I think I should end my current visit to the Torstein
> asylum.****
>
> Some well-known linguist, I forgot which, characterized
> Proto-Slavic as a language with no surviving concepts above that of
> basic survival, which would fit Shchukin's scenario. But every
> language has a predecessor, and the Charudes could have a language
> of that type.
> If they were a social and ethnic group before the formation of
> Shchukin's purely Slavic culture, they might have been farmers in
> an area teeming with migrant robbers of other ethnicity. You
> wouldn't discover them archaeologically that way. Actually this
> would correspond to the situation in eg. the later Austria-Hungary:
> Germans (or German-speakers) in the cities, Slavic-speakers in the
> country). It worked then for centuries, so why couldn't it have
> been so even earlier?
>
> ****GK: Slavic existed in 400,000 BCE as "grunts and wheezes". I
> can't refute that Torsten. (:=)))*****