Re: Hittite arma 'moon'

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:
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> I.
> xìxarmó+
> xYxarmó+ - I don't understand (we have a lost of i?)

Yes, a loss of i (but its palatal feature was left behind, palatalizing x > xY (this is why I made it a point that h1 = xY in my system, as only h1 > 0 in Hitt.)).

> xYxYarmó+ - I don't understand
> (sometimes an hh cluster, vocalized one of the laryngeals
> so is not sure that hh > h)
> xYarmó+

These changes aren't in PIE, but on the path to Hittite. There's no reason to think that Hittite created new syllabic consonants when sound changes created a new "awkward" cluster.

> II. for Tocharian you are right är is the regular output
> (I'm not aware, that it was done via ur)
> > yurmó+
> > yärmó+
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> III. also what if, h1 was only /x/ or /h/ etc...and not /xY/ = h1?

Then I'd be wrong, and you could ignore my theory.

> IV. Do you know other examples of nouns reduplications in Ci- ?
> (I know the verbal reduplication in Ci-)
> (Otherwise it's true, that your derivation counts for y- in Tocharian )
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> Marius

Since most PIE nouns were derived from verbs, any verb with Ci-C would create a similar noun, like * gYìgYn,ónt+, weak stem * gYìgYn,nt+ > gígant- 'giant'; with other optional Ci-C in * pYaL-x-t,ó+ 'grey, old' > * pYeL-x-t,óón, \ pYaL-x-t,óón, \ pYì-pYaL-x-t,óón, 'moth, butterfly'.

In more common reconstructions, they'd be gYigYnont+, pal-h2-to+, pi-pel-h2-to:n \ pi-pal-h2-to:n?, etc.