From: tgpedersen
Message: 64104
Date: 2009-06-10
>We still have to explain Helmold's Siwe of the Polabians. Now if assume my scenario that the Slavic speakers arrived in Western Europe (as Charudes/Hrvati) at the same time as the Germanic-speakers, namely with Ariovistus' campaign and its immediate aftermath (ie. around the beginning of our era), then we could explain why Scandinavians and West Slavs would share a divinity.
>
> On 2009-06-09 20:52, Joao S. Lopes wrote:
> >
> > I've always suspected this could be a plausible link, Zywa/Síf.
> >
> > If Si:f is Germanic, then < *si:Bo:, *si:Bjo:, *tsi:B-, *ksi:B- ?, *sihiB-?
>
> What for? <Sif> is a personification of PGmc. *siBjo:
> 'relationship' (Goth. sibja OE sibb, OHG sipp(e)a). The underlying
> adjective is *siBja- 'of one's own kind', hence *siBj-an-
> 'relative'. They seem to be echt Germanic, ultimately from
> *swe-bH-(i)o- . Note that Gmc. *B always becomes *b in loanwords
> taken by Slavic.
>
> > If its not could come from an adstratum para-Slavic *z^i:va: >
> > *zi:va: > *si:Bo: ?
>
> *z^iva or *z^ivIje could well be represented as <Siwe> in a German
> source, but then of course it would have nothing to do with Sif,
> formally or semantically.
>
> Piotr
>
>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the corrections. But I still think that Sif as a
> personification of "relationship" is not convincent. She is a
> golden-haired Thundergod's wife, and mother of Ullr. Her role is
> not much clear.
>
> JS Lopes
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