[SPAM] [tied] Re: Latin /a/ after labials, IE *mori

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2009-06-04 20:10, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>
> > If based on you:
> > 1. 'secondary e-grades' exists or not?
>
> Yes, but almost exclusively in vr.ddhied adjectives, i.e. in a
> well-defined environment, not wherever it would be convenient o
> postulate them from your point of view. Then, they are secondary
> e-grades, not secondary o-grades.

(If you can enumerate all the cases than do it, but please don't write 'well-defined environment' etc... -> it means nothing)

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So 'a secondary e-grade' can or cannot have ablaut-forms on its turn, in your opinion?
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> > 2. if they exists, is the concept of 'secondary e-grade' identical, for
> > you, with that one of 'Schwebeablaut'?
>
> As originally conceived, schwebeablaut was supposed to have developed in
> "two-vowel roots" ; *pele: > *ple: ~ *pel&-. In early IE studies it was
> routinely assumed than all such roots had "state I" and "state II"
> variants and that those variants could be used more or less at will. Now
> we know that forms with the vowel in the "wrong" slot are secondary and
> exceptional, not regular.
>
> Piotr

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So 'secondary e-grade' Exists.
(and of course ....that they are secondary.)
(even often (and I will add this on my side) the State-II is asserted to be a post-PIE one (but this not a rule either))
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Marius

P.S. as for the 2-vowels /e/ of the same root this was never the topic
(even you have invoked this at least 3 times)