Re: Latin /a/ after labials, IE *mori

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

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> On 2009-05-28 22:50, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:cybalist%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@> wrote:
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> > > Why, then, moneo: < *mon-�je/o-? Why mora < *(s)mor-ah2?
> > > OTOH, a reduced-grade /a/ (or a Lindeman treatment of initial *mn-) can
> > > occur in *maneo: < *m(&)n-�h1-.
> >
> > A) mane:re falls in the rule above so we regularly have:
> >
> > 1. *mon-�h1- > mane:re
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> That's how Schrijver explains it, but not how IE fientives are formed.
> The expected grade is zero, not *o.
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> > 2. *mori- > mare
> > 3. *mon- > manus
> >
> > Note: There is no need for m(&)n- m(&)rei- patterns (or mr-i) etc..
> >
> > BUT In this Context *mon-�ye would have been resulted again as *mane:re
> > 'to warn' but Semantically is different from mane:re 'to stay' : so is
> > normal to be retained/restored as an o-causative mone:re
>
> This is an ad hoc explanation.
>
> > 1. *mon-�h1- > mane:re 'stay, remain'
> > 2. *mon-�ye- > *mane:re (again) 'to warn' > mone:re 'to warn'
> >
> > B. mora 'pause, delay' is from the root *merh- so it was *morh-eh2
> > And in this case, we have a closed syllable here: *mor-heh2
>
> No, the Indo-Iranian treatment of the root (Skt. perf. sasma:ra <
> se-sm�r-e, adj. smr.t�- 'remembered' < *smr.t�-) rules out a final
> laryngeal.
>
> Piotr
>

Regarding laryngeals preventing *moCV- > *maCV-, I noticed that Greek has words like <mne:me:> 'memory, remembrance' which suggests that the 'think, remember' root was *menh1- or *menh2- (I don't know what LIV says about it). That could explain <mone:re> according to Marius' theory, as from *monHéje-. However, Sanskrit seems to show no evidence of a final laryngeal for this 'think' root: <man->, aorist <ámata>, <ámanmahi>, etc., future <mam.syate> (without <-i-> before the <-sya-> ending), inf. <mantum>, etc. But even if the root did have a laryngeal, it would mean that if the theory presented by Marius is true, then the change *mo- to <ma-> happened while laryngeals were still consonantal, which I think would have to be pre-Italic, or no?

Andrew