tgpedersen schrieb:
> > das Wort ist ja ganz
> > merkwürdig und seiner Ursprung liegt im Dunkeln ( möglicherweise
> > von Wz. k^em-) interesanterweise, wir finden ein änliches Wort mit
> > derselben Bedeutung in der Thrakisch-Phyrigisch Wortschatz (
> > scheinbar mit einem çatam-Aspekt) und unglaublich, diesesmal mit
> > centum-Züge in das Dakische!
>
> Which word is that?
>
> Torsten
in Thracian attested as "Semele", and from many shcolars tried to be
brought in connection with the meaning "earth" due Slavic "zemlja".
Hehn, Fick, Kretschmer, tried to get the connection with the earth here
and for sure there a lot more interpretations.
Thomascheck thinks about at this word as not beeing Thracian at all, but
maybe Phrygian since Hesychod mentions "semelen barbaron andrapodon,
Fruges"; yet Thomascheck thinks it means "wolke", cloud since the word
is mentioned often in context of rain..
The thracian deity Semele (wroten with sigma, not with zeta) is
mentioned in many cases together with an another one called Toune,
Donner, Thunder(it is not the case now and here to discusse the whole
story of Semele, neither to bring the whole references about)
From this point it is not hard to make the connection with the
Dacian/Getian diety which was called Gebeleizis/Gemeleiz and about we
know it was the good of the sky.
Apparently this Semele/Ge[m/b]ele(izis)is one and the same deity
and the thracian "s" appears to be just a fricative g^/c^ which has been
represented by the Greeks trough sigma. I don't want to discusse now the
confusions between k/g and m/b in that part of the world since it has
been done many times with examples from antiquity and with recent
examples from Albanian and Romanian which shows such phonetic features.
I just wanted to point to the meaning and to the phonetic aspect.
If these are correct interpreted, then there appears to be connection
between the germanic Himmel and thracian-Dacian Gemele-/Semele-
The "l" you spek about .. should be a kind of diminutival suffix?
Alex