Res: [tied] Re: Hermes again

--- In cybalist@... s.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@ ...> wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@... s.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@ > wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@... s.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@ > wrote:
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> > > --- In cybalist@... s.com, "A." <xthanex@> wrote:
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> > > > Quick question:
> > > > I've looked through the archives and a few other sites, and been unable to find any clear etymology for the name Hermes (and the hermae pillars).
> > > > Am I simply missing it, or has one not been successfully established?
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> > > Beekes considers 'Hermes' to be unanalyzable Pre-Greek,
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> > My feeling is that there are too many Pre-Greek words at Beekes.
> > So many, that the Ancient Greek arrived to be a Koine Language...in his vision...
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> I think B. tends to favor Pre-Greek for difficult words, which with some effort could be given a plausible IE etymology, such as <anthro:pos> . I suspect the suffix -eus is the conflation of a genuine Pre-Greek *-ew- and an Indo-European *-e:w-, and words in -eus should not be automatically ascribed to Pre-Greek.

I agree -eus seems to describes agents (I have read that .pdf-s indicated here by Piotr) and seems a reasonable PIE formation

Comming back to Beekes : if you want to describe a word as Substratual you need to have a clear ideea about the phonetism and the phonetic rules of that Substratum , otherwise is better to say 'Unknown etymology'

I know that Beekes has written about the Greek Substratum, so I have simplified here Beekes position : but he is very strict with the IE words but less restrictive to assign the words to the Greek-Substratum

> > For the root *ser- 'to flow' -> 'to rush, to follow'
> > the suffix X-mo means 'generated-by- X/resulting- from-X' ==>>
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> > *sor-mo/eh2 -->
> > Grk. 'onset, assault, onrush, outset, effort'
> > Skt. 'flowing, streaming'
> > Alb./Rum-Substratum 'trace'
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> > <<ser-m- + <a-suffix-to- indicate- the-agent Greek or Not-Greek one> >>
> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
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> > A. That one that follows the traces ==> that one that follows the paths ==> The Traveller (the Traveller's God -> the God of Travellers)
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> > B. That one that follows the indicated paths
> > => the Messenger (the Messenger of Gods)
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> > C. That one that communicates( &translates& explains) the delivered messages => the Interpreter
> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
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> With my hypothesis, the development is in the reverse order, more or less.
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> DGK

I know.

The issue here is that we need to find an external reference (if any) a similar God Name derived from a root ser- (if Hermes is really derived from such a PIE root)

Marius