Re: Celtic Tanarus and Gmc Thunaraz

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2009-03-25 13:18, A. wrote:
>
> > Thus Matasovic follows Pokorny and Watkins in saying that PIE *(s)ten-r-
> > is the origin of Thunder/Donner ; and yet Matasovic disagrees with
> > Pokorny by staing that the Celtic forms do not derive from a distinct
> > PIE root (*tor-) but rather from a metathesis of *tonaro- > *torano-.
> >
> > On the other hand, the IE database of Nikolaev and Starostin, gives
> > Proto-IE: *taron- <PIH *-rH-> as the origin of BOTH the Celtic Taran and
> > the Gmc Thunr/Thunraz; as well as the Hittite Tarhun and other derivatives.
> >
> > Any ideas on whether Taran and Thunder share a common IE root
> > (whether that root be *taron- [per Nikolaev and Starostin] or (s)tene-
> > [per Matasovic] )?
>
> The PCl. form is reconstructed as *torano-(~ *-i-, *-u-, *-a:-), with
> the Gallo-Brittonic assimilation or *-oRa- > -aRa-, a process that seems
> to have remained productive for some time, cf. Lat. monachus --> W.
> manach. The underlying root may be *terh1- 'pierce, bore' (the usual
> derivation),

Piotr, the name of the Celtic God Tanarus is put in link with the Luwian Storm-God/Thunder-God Tarh_unt- / Hittite Tarh_un.

The name of the Anatolian God is linked to Hittite tarh_ 'to conquer, to defeat, to overpower, to cross'

As I know, in Hittite, the h1 is vanished and h3 is preserved (sometimes?) only in the initial position of the words.

So the single choice remains h2 ...

In this case the derivation should be traced to terh2- 'to cross-over, to overcome' (and not to terh1-)

Marius