Re: [SPAM] [tied] Re: Order of Some Indo-Iranian Sound Changes

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 63368
Date: 2009-02-22

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> From: Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] [tied] Re: Order of Some Indo-Iranian Sound Changes
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 7:04 PM
> On 2009-02-22 00:06, Rick McCallister wrote:
>
> > Where do English speakers do that?
>
> Mostly in Britain: popular London speech, Scouse, etc. Have
> you never
> heard Cockney realisations of words like <top> as
> [tsOp]? In London
> English, an affricated intervocalic [ts] may be used as an
> "elegant"
> allophone of /t/ in lieu of the "vulgar" glottal
> stop in words like
> <butter> and <party>.

I've only been in Liverpool, where they speak Scouse, and Chester, where I heard something close to RP.
>
> > Bonus Dumb Question: Is Slavic /s^c^, s^t/ somehow
> related to this
> > phenomenon?
>
> Slavic /s^c^, s^t (~ c, c^)/ is a complex problem and
> I'm not sure which
> part of it you mean.
>
> Piotr

Me neither, I was wondering if that pair may have originally included a /t/ that got assibilated