Re: [tied] Re: Franco-Provençal

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 63248
Date: 2009-02-20

--- On Thu, 2/19/09, Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...> wrote:

> From: Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...>
> Subject: [tied] Re: Franco-Provençal
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 10:34 PM
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Max Dashu <maxdashu@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Max Dashu <maxdashu@...>
> > > Subject: [tied] Re: Franco-Provençal
> > > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 8:10 PM
> > > >REALLY?! Sarah Palin sounds like a _Canadian_
> to you?
> > > Wow, that is news.
> > >
> > > No, she sounds like someone from Minnesota, and
> the midwest
> > > generally.
> > >
> > > Max
> >
> > I'm from the Midwest and she doesn't sound
> anything like me. She
> does sound like she could be from Minnesota, though, which
> is next to
> CANADA
> >
>
> I agree about her sounding like a Minnesotan. But just
> because it's
> next to Canada, doesn't mean it will sound more like
> Canada: see what
> I said about Upstate New York and Michigan. Upstate New
> York, which
> is close to eastern Ontario (and hence is very near to me)
> in
> particular sounds very different from any Canadian variety:
> I often
> wonder if it is the result of English being taken on as a
> language by
> Germans. It sounds like how Germans might alter English,
> almost.
> Note that I think the regional variety that sounds most
> like Canadian
> varieties is California English, which is one of the
> farthest states
> from Canada. This is based on listening to people who say
> they grew
> up there, on TV, so it's not a scientific conclusion.
>
> Andrew

To me, California English sounds like a fronted, less nasal version of Midwestern English where /k/ often becomes /ky/ --as in kewl
I compare it to Chilean Spanish, which is fronted, where la gente de Chile often comes out as /la hyente De tsyile/