[tied] Re: Franco-Provençal

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:

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> --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...> wrote:
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> > From: Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...>
> > Subject: [tied] Re: Franco-Provençal
> > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 7:25 PM
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> > <gabaroo6958@> wrote:
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> > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Brian M. Scott
> > <BMScott@> wrote:
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> > > > From: Brian M. Scott <BMScott@>
> > > > Subject: Re[2]: [tied] Re: Franco-Provençal
> > > > To: "Rick McCallister"
> > <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:34 PM
> > > > At 5:15:36 PM on Thursday, February 19, 2009,
> > Rick
> > > > McCallister wrote:
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> > > > > I associate a true retroflex /R/ more with
> > Canadian
> > > > and
> > > > > Great Lakes English
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> > > > On what basis? I'd be skeptical of a claim
> > that you
> > > > could
> > > > readily distinguish them by ear.
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> > > > Brian
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> > > I don't know about being able to detect
> > "bunch" vs. "retro" but
> > there is a difference between Canadian and Standard
> > American /R/.
> > Canadian /R/ tends to sound a bit farther back in the mouth
> > and sounds
> > more sustained.
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> > As a Canadian (I lost my original Trinidadian accent
> > completely in
> > early childhood), I will say that I have examined my own
> > /r/'s and
> > found that although I do turn the tip of the tongue upward
> > like a
> > retroflex /r/ (but not that far back), I believe I also
> > arch the mid
> > or rear part of the tongue, like a bunched /r/. It's
> > hard to say
> > though, the only thing I'm certain of is that I curl
> > the tip upward.
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> > I can't quite tell the difference between Canadian and
> > Standard
> > American /r/, but I've noticed over my life that
> > individuals in either
> > country often have their own variation of these two
> > varieties of /r/,
> > or at least sound like they do. An example is Sarah Palin,
> > whose
> > /r/'s sound very pronounced, lengthened, and, to me,
> > apparently
> > retroflex (I may be wrong).
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> > Andrew
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> Whereas to me, she sounds like a Canadian, as do a lot of people

from the Great Lakes region

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REALLY?! Sarah Palin sounds like a _Canadian_ to you? Wow, that is
news. I live in Canada and I find that next to southern U.S.
pronunciation, she has the most un-Canadian pronunciation possible.
You'd never find someone in Canada who sounds like her, I guarantee you.

Andrew