From: Rick McCallister
Message: 63170
Date: 2009-02-19
> From: Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...>A triasystem, with Manx. The difference in dialects historically didn't match national borders but with the moribund state of Ulster and the death of Galloway Gaelic, perhaps one could now say it does
> Subject: [tied] Re: Franco-Provençal
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 12:21 AM
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Jarrette"
> <anjarrette@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com,
> "david_russell_watson" <liberty@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> <gabaroo6958@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mine didn't. They spoke Gaelic, Welsh,
> Irish, Scots, German,
> > > > French and Dutch. The Appalachian dialect my
> cousins speak
> > > > is still closer to Scots than to English.
> > >
> > > But Scots is just a dialect of English, isn't
> it?
> > >
> > > ;^)
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> >
> >
> > On this question you might look up "Scots
> Language" on Wiki. I just
> > finished reading it. IMHO, the fact that Scots has
> [e] in words like
> > <hame> "home", <saip>
> "soap", <ane> "one", <bane>
> "bone", <hale>
> > "whole" where English has [o(U)]/[&U] is
> enough for me to think that
> > it must be a separate language (not to mention the
> many other
> > divergent phonetic developments). However there is a
> remarkable
> > amount of shared innovations and developments, and
> also more learned
> > vocabulary (as would be expected) between Scots and
> English, if you
> > read the article further to the grammar and beyond.
> BTW up to now I
> > had always thought Scots died out somewhere between
> the 17th and 19th
> > centuries. But it survives yet, though reduced.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
>
>
> BTW, Wiki lists Scots Gaelic and Irish as two members of a
> diasystem,
> i.e. they are merely political variants of one language.
> In a case
> like this could one claim they are dialects of the same
> language? But
> I wonder whether they really should be considered a
> diasystem when
> Gaelic broke off from Irish somewhere around the 4th or 5th
> centuries
> A.D. How could they remain similar enough to be considered
> a diasystem?
>
> Andrew