From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 63113
Date: 2009-02-18
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>> [Corsican is] basically the same thing as most other dialects of
>> Italian. Latin evolved and mixed up with adstrates and substrates.
>
> "Dialects" of Italian -- and, as I suspect, also what
> you "nationalistically" refer to as mere "dialects" of French,
> Spanish etc. -- are historically languages by full right (in certain
> cases even endowed with distinctive literary productions that date
> from many centuries ago). I fully concur with the following remark
> made in the Wikipedia article entitled "Italian dialects":
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_dialects
>> The oft-heard expression "dialects of Italian" is both inaccurate=========
>> and very misleading, since the dialects did not derive from
>> Italian, but directly from spoken Latin, often termed Vulgar
>> Latin: it was Italian that derived from the dialects, not the
>> other way around.
>
> Please bear in mind that both Romance national languages and Romance
> regional dialects evolved from various provincial (= spoken,
> or "Vulgar") forms of Latin, a "State language" that was initially,
> and continued to be for a long time, *foreign* to most of the
> European populations whose idioms subsequently developed into the
> multifarious Romance "languages" and "dialects" (the distinction
> between the two is not that clear to me). This is different from
> other known processes of linguistic development such as, e.g., the
> differentiation of Germanic "languages" and "dialects" from Proto-
> Germanic. Latin was no "Proto-Language". It was a pre-packaged
> official language (of the administration, trade etc.) that was
> politically superimposed on the natives of the various parts of
> Europe whose populations became the speakers of Romance "languages"
> and "dialects" during the Middle Ages.
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> A mosaic of Romance regional idioms, some of which became "national"
> languages due to political processes, is a more faithful
> representation of the situation in medieval Romance-speaking Europe
> than the absurd claim that "national" languages like French or
> Italian constitued a sort of Ur-model from which dialectal forms of
> Romance somehow deviated, but to which they are all reconducible
> (like Arnaud's Corsican would be to Italian).
>
> Regards,
> Francesco
>