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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet"
<fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:
>
>
> Koivulehto, like everybody else who proposes loan connections
between
> IE and Uralic languages, make the unwarranted assumption that loans
> are always from (the more developed) IE to (the less developed)
Uralic
> language
> Torsten
>
>
In the case of Indo-Iranian, that does seem to be the case. Maybe
those Indo-Aryans and Iranians who came in contact with Uralians,
and who did impart plenty of loanmwords to them, also borrowed from
them, but they never took those Uralic loans to Iran and India,
because they were emigrants *from* there, not migrants on the way
there.
By contrast, Germanics who were in touch with Uralians were still
young (pre-Lautverschiebung, which had yet to take place to turn
kant- into hand-, see below) and on their way to their historical
European habitat, passing through Uralic territory while on their
way from Central Asia and beyond.
Loans from Uralic were taken westward by east-to-west IE migrants.
No Uralic loans were taken eastward, because there was in the time
concerned no west-to-east IE migration. Similar with Semitic: while
there may be a few Semitic loans in pan-IE (six, seven), later loans
into specific IE languages affect only those to the west (wine), not
Indo-Aryan or Tocharic, because the latter never passed through
Semitic or Semitic-influenced territory.
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>
> You probably fail to remember I clearly stated that Germanic has
quite a lot
> of (often archaic-looking) Uralic LWs.
> Handi from *kam-t- "hand"
> etc.
Thanks for that one, see above. Complete list?
> And there is no particular reason IE languages were more
developped than
> URalic languages if you accept the idea that PIE split earlier
than - 4000
> BC.
> And if you agree on early LWs, then you'll have problems with the
location
> of Germanic...
>
Coming from a more hospitable climate to the south, and more in
contact with yet other centres of civilization, the IEs had a wider
horizon, a more variegated economy and a more developed culture.
Location of Germanic was once, as I recall Arnaud himself has said
on this list, pretty far to the east, witness exchanges with Altaic,
Yeniseian and (as per Chang Tsung-tung) Chinese.
Kind regards,
KE