Re: Uralic Loanbwords in Germanic (was: * Re: Push (3))

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 62486
Date: 2009-01-13

--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

> From: Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...>
> Subject: Re: [tied] Uralic Loanbwords in Germanic (was: * Re: Push (3))
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 4:42 PM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Wordingham"
> <richard.wordingham@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:41 PM
> Subject: [tied] Uralic Loanbwords in Germanic (was: * Re:
> Push (3))
>
>
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud
> Fournet" <fournet.arnaud@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> If Proto-Germanic has more Uralic LWs than
> Balto-Slavic does,
> >> What was the position of these sub-families at
> that time ?
> >> Do you seriously think Balto-Slavic originally was
> more eastern than
> >> Germanic but did not receive any LWs ?
> >> Your theory is not even coherent.
> >
> > I will pedantically point out that Uralic actually
> extends further
> > West than does Balto-Slavic.
> >
> > More seriously, Uralic currently borders Germanic on
> the *North*
> > rather than the East. Whether this border was
> significant for
> > Proto-Germanic may be another matter - it doesn't
> look settled to me.
> >
> > Richard.
> >
> ==============
>
> If Germanic has more Uralic LWs than Balto-Slavic,
> then the relative position of these free entities cannot be
> what is now.
> And I suppose that only Russian dialects that have been in
> contact (or have
> replaced) Uralic languages have LWS.
> I wonder if Polish or Srb has a single known Uralic LW.
> It would be interesting to document such a point.
>
> A.

It would be more prudent to look at Baltic, since Baltic was once between Uralic and Slavic. Remember that Baltic once spread as far as Moscow to the east and somewhere between Gdansk and Szczecin to the west, if not farther