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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Anatoly Guzaev <anatoly_guzaev@...>
wrote:
>
> Russian на-блÑдаÑÑ (observe, watch; -blyudaty; бдиÑелÑноÑÑÑ
alertness, guard). It seems that Russian bdityelynosty (alertness) is
a cognate to English vigilance; Serb.-Cr. pažnja alertness? Russ.
бÑдиÑÑ wake; Pol. budzenie (waking), Russ. на-блÑдение (watch),
Ñо-блÑдение (observance), бÑÐ´ÐµÐ½Ñ (awake). Slavic "buden" might be from
the PIE *bheu(l)g-/bheu(l)d- (or something like that) and not from the
*bheudh- root?
> For instance. Russ. buka, пÑгало (scarecrow), Sr.-Cr. buka (noise),
vikanje (shouting), buÄ`enje (waking) Ger. wachen (wake), Eng. watch,
vigilance, wake... Russ. ÑбедиÑÑ (ubedity; to persuade, convince)
seems to be very close to PGmc. *beðan (bead) and even Russ. molitva
(prayer) must have been derived from the same *bheu(l)d- root as Czech
vybÃdnout (to ask) or Sr.-Cr. pitanje (question)
>
> Ah, sorry... it appears to be too complicated!
>
> [Mangled quoting deleted. -BMS]
>
I think most scholars take Russian <ubedit'> as related to Germanic
*baidjan (OE bæ:dan, OHG beiten, ON beiða, Goth baidjan, all "force,
compel, urge, etc."). <bditel'nost'> probably comes from the reduced
grade *bhudh- of *bheudh- (*bud- > bd- when unstressed in Slavic,
right?), so is not a cognate of English <vigilance> (from Latin, from
an IE *wVg(h)- root, and so probably not cognate with Srb-Cr
<vikanje>). I think <buden> (<budzenie>, etc.) is very obviously
derived from the o-grade *bhoudh- of the *bheudh- root (since it has
the same basic meaning it has in the other Slavic words from this root
and in Indic), and there is no need to postulate *bheu(l)g- or
*bheu(l)d-. I don't see how one can derive <molitva> or <pitanje>
from a root *bheu(l)d- (and by the way a root of the form *bheuld-
would not be allowed in PIE, I'm pretty sure: you could have either
*bheld- or *bheud- but not *bheuld-), they're pretty obviously
unrelated since they have completely different consonants. I don't
know about <buka>, I think I read somewhere that it actually derives
from PIE *bouk- with *b- rather than *bh-, so probably not related to
the *bheudh- root. Probably Piotr or one of the others will provide
you with more information.
Andrew