Re: Greek kitharis

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "bmscotttg" <BMScott@> wrote:

>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:

>>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "bmscotttg" <BMScott@> wrote:

>>>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:

>>>>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "bmscotttg" <BMScott@> wrote:

>>>>>> PIE as Proto-World?! Even Ruhlen has more sense than that.

>>>>> I didn't say PIE was the original language, or the source of
>>>>> all languages ever spoken.

>>>> You did, however, say that it was the source of all known
>>>> languages, which is what is normally meant by 'Proto-World'.

>>> Not at all. There may be languages spoken that haven't been
>>> discovered or examined by linguists, or not described at all
>>> (or well enough for correct classification), and some
>>> undeciphered languages obviously could be non-PIE.

>> Irrelevant. Your statement, which for some reason you
>> conveniently erased from this response, was:

>>>>>>> All known languages not currently classified as IE are
>>>>>>> actually from one branch of IE: Indo-Iranian.

>> From which it obviously follows that all known languages are
>> either currently classified as IE or in fact II.

> Yes.

>> Unless you
>> care to maintain that some languages now classified as IE in
>> fact are not IE, you very clearly *are* claiming that all
>> known languages are IE. Which is lunacy.

> No, I said it and it's true. What are you objecting to about
> my response? I said there could be unknown languages that were
> non-IE, etc., so PIE wouldn't equal "Proto-World" if there were.

Proto-World is normally taken to be the most recent common ancestor
(if one exists) of all *known* language. I pointed this out before.

[..]

> Your claim of my theory meaning there would be
> an equivalency between PIE and PW is not so,

It is, by the definition of PW with which I'm most familiar.

> and you haven't given any reason for your apparent (continued)
> misunderstanding.

I did. You ignored it. From

<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/62326>:

You did, however, say that [PIE] was the source of all known
languages, which is what is normally meant by 'Proto-World'.

But it really doesn't matter, since as far as I'm concerned you've
completely destroyed any credibility that you might previously have
enjoyed.

Brian