From: Rick McCallister
Message: 62308
Date: 2008-12-28
> From: stlatos <stlatos@...>I remember it being bandied about in discussions of Grabovius or vice-versa. Brian seems to have the files memorized for the last 10 years
> Subject: [tied] Re: Greek kitharis
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 2:12 AM
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Jarrette"
> <anjarrette@...> wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos"
> <stlatos@> wrote:
>
> > > (like asparagus > sparrowgrass, *harbena- >
> hornbeam, etc.).
>
> > Off the topic: what is this "*harbena- >
> hornbeam"? Both OED and
> > Webster's say "hornbeam" is merely from
> <horn> + <beam>, being a hard
> > tree like horn (also formerly "hardbeam").
> Where did you find that
> > etymology and how do you know it's correct? (Latin
> <carpinus>, the
> > name if its genus, does have a form similar to
> *harbena- if the latter
> > is a Gmc form.)
>
> I don't know it's correct, it's just ev. of
> another possible
> folk-etymological distortion similar to what could have
> produced
> *kithar > sitar. See:
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/
> post?act=reply&messageNum=9936
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Piotr
> Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> > I haven't got G/I at home, but as far as I recall,
> *(s)grobHo- is
> based mainly on Slavic *grabU (though it doesn't
> account for the
> Slavic long vocalism); supportive evidence is provided by
> Latin
> carp-i:nus (with formidable phonological complications, of
> course, and
> the possibility that English hornbeam is a
> folk-etymological
> distortion of a related word), plus several obscure Italic,
> Illyrian
> and Macedonian terms containing <grab->. I'll
> check the hornbeam
> tomorrow in Friedrich's article on PIE trees and in the
> EIEC, in case
> I've forgotten something important.
> >