From: Rick McCallister
Message: 62231
Date: 2008-12-21
> From: Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...>Québec is the only French-speaking place I've been. I used to live about 20 KM form the border. So I can only go on what I heard there. Phoque definitely sounded like fuck and bonne like bun. I also heard some strange sounding pronunciations /septsil/ for Sept-Iles; /smEn. for semaine, /out. outr@/ for autre, /Souz, Souz@/ for chose --e.e. /sEtoutr@...@/ in advertisements and, of course, the stereotypical /dzIs/ for /dis/ dix
> Subject: [tied] Re: Reindeer: another ideer
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 3:02 PM
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet"
> <fournet.arnaud@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew Jarrette"
> <anjarrette@...>
> >
> > >> ========
> > >>
> > >> So bonne is nearly bun and botte nearly but
> in Quebecois !?
> > >>
> > >> I'm very deeply sceptical,
> > >> A.
> > >> ========
> > >>
> > >
> > > I'm not an authority. It's just my
> impression, and I think Rick
> > > agrees. But your <motte> sounds much more
> like our <mutt> than does
> > > your <meute>, I would stake my life on it.
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > ======
> >
> > I have uploaded a file named motte_meute.wma
> > une motte de terre
> > une meute de loups
> >
> > I let you decide which sounds closest to English mutt.
> >
> > A.
> >
>
> I'll try to be as fair and honest as possible:
> they're probably both
> equally similar to English <mutt>, in that recording.
> My first
> impression was that <motte> was more similar, but
> then I thought that
> could be because I'm biased. So to be fair I would say
> they are
> equally similar. But when he says <meute> I still
> notice the
> frontness, which is different from <mutt>, and also
> <meute> seems to
> be very very slightly diphthongal (I think it has something
> like a
> barely perceptible progression rounded > unrounded, but
> of course I
> might easily be wrong), which <motte> and
> <mutt> aren't. But yes
> <motte> definitely has a rounded vowel (basically
> <mutt> pronounced
> with rounded lips), but it doesn't remind me of RP
> <Mort> (a name),
> basically the latter has noticeable length which
> <motte> definitely
> does not. <motte> reminds me of <mutt>, and
> <meute> does too, so I
> will say they are equal, but if I have to decide between
> one or the
> other, I will still choose <motte> as a better
> equivalent of <mutt>
> (possibly bias, but I'm trying not to be biased).
>
> Andrew