Re: Velar vs Uvular (was: Verdict on Mann)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:

> Considering the sequence needed to get uxtì, if met. is common with
> C+r or obligatory to correct new clusters after syncope, it seems that:
>
> Skt u:s.ará- > *u:s.rà > s.urà 'saltpeter'
>
>
> úttara ... udaká ... u:s.ará
> úttarà ... udaká` .. u:s.ará` fit into Kh. tone system
> uttarà ... udaká` .. u:s.ará`
> uttarà ... udakà ... u:s.arà
> uttarà ... uDagà ... u:s.arà
> utarà .... uDagà ... u:s.arà
> utrà ..... uDgà .... u:s.rà
> utRà ..... uDGà .... u:s.rà
> utR` ..... uDG` .... u:s.rà C+son. can't be w-final
> ùtR ...... ùDG ..... u:s.rà tone without V moves back
> ùtR ...... ùG ...... u:s.rà
> ùRt ...... ùG ...... u:s.rà met.
> ùRt ...... ùG ...... s.u:rà met.
> ùXt ...... ùG ...... s.u:rà
>
> etc.

Therefore, Kamviri z.úk 'salt' must be borrowed from Skt:

u:s.aka
u:s.aka^
u:z.aka^
u:z.ka^
z.u:ka^
z.u:k^

etc.


So I'd reply to:

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> Zupanija (Z = "zh" or "z^") is derived from Zupan 'the
> supervisor of a Zupa (a salt mine, sometimes also a salt or
> silver depot)' -- a very important function in early Slavic
> states, as salt production was an extremely lucrative
> business, usually monopolised by the ruler. Zupan eventually
> came to mean something like 'alderman' or 'sheriff' in
> Anglo-Saxon England -- a royal official responsible for an
> administrative unit. As characteristically Iranian agent
> nouns in -pa:na- (cf. Indic -pa:- < IE *pax-) mean
> 'guardian, supervisor, protector', an Iranian connection
> used to be proposed for Zupan as well, but the idea has been
> abandoned by most scholars: the morphological division is
> after all Zup-an rather than Zu-pan. However, Zupa itself is
> a mysterious word and I'd like to see a convincing etymology
> of it myself. Slavic *Z comes from earlier *g(W) palatalised
> before a front vowel (that is, Zupa < something like
> *geup-a:), which seems to rule out any connection with the
> Tamil word.


Since k>p by u in some Dardic, as Khow *pr,zdn,kús > *purdumpu^ >
purdúm 'leopard', Kamviri z.úk 'salt' was likely related to an
Indo-Iranian language with z.>z^ in which *z.u:kWa > *z^upa 'salt'
existed.

Therefore, as a borrowing into Slavic no earlier gW > gY is needed.