Re: Res: [tied] Reindeer domestication : two origins

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2008-12-15 21:32, Joao S. Lopes wrote:
> >
> >
> > krios "ram"
> > hrinthar- "cow"
> > s^r.nga "horn"
> > xerut- "deer, stag"
> > kerambos, terambos "stagbeetle"
> >
> > Are they independent developments from same root k^erh- "head,
> > horn", or may represent diverse PIE names from horned beasts?
>
> Some of them can't be derived from *k^erh2-. It seems that
> *k^erh2(-ser/n-) means basically 'head', while most 'horn(ed)'
> words are derived from *k^erh2w- (cervus, *xerut-, Slavic *korva
> 'cow', etc.), *k^ren- (Slavic *sIrna 'roe-deer', s'r.Nga-, perhaps
> Rind) and possibly *k^rei- (*xraina-, krios). As an intriguing
> complication, stagbeetles and hornets seem to have names derived
> from 'head' rather than 'horn' (*k^erh2-..., *k^r.h2-sr-e:n). We
> seem to be dealing with an ancient set of related roots with
> various pre-PIE "extensions", no longer analysable in the
> protolanguage. *k^ren- and *k^rei- are vocalised differently from
> *k^erh2-, since PIE did not allow two sonorants at the end of a
> root.

It might be worse than that.
Møller, Vergleichendes indogermanisch-semitisches Wörterbuch

'k^-rn- (oder k-rn- ?) 'Horn' (< voridg. k^-r- oder k-r- + n-),
lat. cornu
ahd. ags. an. horn got. haurn 'Horn',
kymr. korn. breton. karn 'Huf der Einhufer',
kárnon• tè:n sálpigga Galátai Hesych
(die genannten westeurop. Wörter können idg. k oder k^ haben;
k^-r-n- + g- (< voridg. k-) in sanskr. s^r´.n,ga- n. 'Horn')
: semit. (mit velarem Anlaut) k.àrn- (k. < vorsemit. K.),
assyr. k.arnu arab. k.arnun äthiop. k.arn phönik. k.-rn (= k.arn)
hebr. k.arn-, k.`æræn aram. k.arnā syr. k.arnå: 'Horn'.
'

Torsten