Re: Bactrian camel

From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 62069
Date: 2008-12-15

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From: "Francesco Brighenti" <frabrig@...>

> No, Dear Francesco
>
> I wonder how Kannada-Telugu oNTe can be derived from us^tra ??
> and the same question applies to WPah u:NT
> Is there a law changing s^ in N in those languages ?
> There exists another form oNT- which has nothing to do with us^tra
> and this word exists in other languages like Urartean ultu.
> Your statement is therefore dead wrong.
> And see below your own contradictions.
>
> [...]
>
> [Akkadian] udru 'two-humped camel'
> One more word deriving from *oNT.-
> How contradictory !!
> You are now providing more data for my reconstruction !!
>
> Hope you still have some time to spare for a discussion.

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Indo-Aryan u:~t-, ut.t.h- etc.

Munda: Korku u:n.t.o-, Korwa u:n.t.-, most Kherwarish dialects
(Mundari, Santali, etc.) u:~t.-

Dravidian: Kurux un.t.-, Gondi u:n.t.-, Kannada on.t.e-

Therefore, the nasal infix or the nasalization of the initial vowel
in the above Munda and Dravidian words is an (unexplained) phonetic
development that is also found in several northwestern Indo-Aryan
terms for `camel' (including some Dardic ones) derived from Old Indo-
Aryan us.t.ra-.
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an Unexplained !!!! phonetic development

How can you reject my suggestion there is a proto-form *oNT camel
That very nicely explains all words
on the basis that all words should dogmatically be derived from *us^tra
even when you are UNABLE to derive them from that form ?

This is definitely incredible !

A.
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4) CONCLUSION

The source of all the South and Southwest Asian words for `camel'
discussed above seems to be PIIr. *us^tra- (or *Hus^tra if one
accepts the tentative reconstruction of an initial laryngeal for
it).

Regards,
Francesco

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I will refrain to write what I think about your "conclusion"
This would be against the rules of the list.
I suppose you can understand what I mean.

A.