Re: oldest places- and watername in Scandinavia

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2008-11-11 00:15, tgpedersen wrote:
>
> > I have no problem with positing a loan into Greek from Venetic.
> > After all, they were at Troy too.
>
> Did the Tocharians borrow from them too? And *wa(:)g^-, in
> particular, is even more widespread (cf. Skt. vájra-, not to
> mention a Hittite cognate).

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/53968
Burrows defends the IE-ness of Skt. vájra- by pointing out that -ro-
is a IE suffix. But -ro- is a thematized -r-, and -er is a Pre-Saami
suffix. I can't rule out that *wag-/*wak- with its /a/ was loaned into
PIE from some FU language.

> As none of your "Venetic loans" is attested in Venetic, it seems
> the Veneti loaned away most of their verbs and ended up practically
> verbless themselves.

The reason 'toler', 'doto' and 'donasto/tonasto' are about the only
verb forms we know from Venetic probably has more to do with the fact
that most of the material is votive inscriptions.

> > > *perh3-, *melh2- or *h2anh1-, with a final consonant cluster.
> >
> > I've grown suspicious of those roots with laryngeals in auslaut,
> > ghosts of departed quantities, most likely.
>
> Does such a ghost haunt *waskanã 'wash' as well?

Erh, what?

> Are the Skt. /i/ in <ániti> and Gk. /e/ in <ánemos> ghosts of a
> departed quantity?

Actually, that's exactly what I think h1 denotes. No one knows what
kind of phoneme it was, except that it causes compensatory
lengthening. But so many consonants cause compensatory lengthening
when they go. The cognates of *dheh1- in FU has a velar in auslaut,
maybe that's the obe that cause it in OIE?

> Is the Luwian /h/ in <ma:lhu:-> an illusion?

No, evidence is evidence, as I think it was you wanted to lecture me
about.


Torsten