Re: oldest places- and watername in Scandinavia

On 2008-11-09 20:01, Brian M. Scott wrote:

> The other is PGmc. *te:k- ~ *tak- (Goth. <tekan> 'to touch', ON
> <taka> 'to take'), which nicely matches Toch. B <täk-> 'touch, feel
> with the hand; fetch, procure'). In _From Proto-Indo-European to
> Proto-Germanic_ he derives these from post-PIE *deh1g- ~ *dh1g-
> 'touch'; from Adams' _Dictionary of Tocharian B_ I gather that Ringe
> has previously attributed the Gmc.-Toch. match to borrowing in a
> direction that can't be determined.

It would be a shame not to salvage the connection with Lat. tango and OE
þaccian 'pat'. See:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/45736

> Or early (but post-Grimm) borrowings from Latin (probably *punda
> 'pound', *katilaz 'kettle', the *kaup- family), or the pre-Grimm
> borrowing *paido: 'cloak' (cf. Gk. <baíte:> 'a shepherd's cloak')
> from some eastern language.

And *paþaz 'path', *punGaz 'purse' (Goth. puggs, OE pung, OHG pfung,
OIc. pungr). *taikuraz 'brother-in-law' is an unquestionable native
exception to the *T..T prohibition. It's clear that the *k derives
somehow from PIE *w, but anyway it must have contained *daigur- at the
time of Grimm's Law. Post-Kluge Proto-Germanic also had a few words like
*taikna- 'token'.

Piotr