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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, patrick cuadrado <dicoceltique@...>
wrote:
>
> may be Celtic/Germanic too
> Tragi-sama = great market (?)
> * Dreisam (Deutschland)
> * Treisen (Ostereich) = Trigisamum
> * Trême : Helvetia
The first one is a river. The two others I can't find, but German
Freiburg and Swiss Fribourg (near which Trême supposed ly is) are on
the Venetic-dominated Rhine-Rhône route. Judging from the Celtic
superlative suffix -sam- (= Russ. superlative samyj?), the
tregi- part is an adjective. To repeat from Pokorny (note in
particular the OIr superlative forms):
'treg-
"alle Kräfte anstrengen; Kraft, Andrang, Kampf;
standhaft, fest";
wohl als "sich strecken, stemmen" zu (s)terg-, (s)treg-
"starren" (oben S. 1023).
Air. tre:n (*tregs-no-) "tapfer, stark"
(woraus wohl cymr. tren "impetuous, strenuous",
Subst. "force, rapidity" entlehnt ist),
Kompar. Superl. air. tressa, tressam,
cymr. trech, trechaf;
air. tress (*tregso-) "Kampf";
aisl. þrekr m., þrek n. "Stärke, Tapferkeit",
þrekinn "ausdauernd", þreka "drängen, drücken",
ags. ðrece m. "Unterdrückung, Gewalt, Ermüdung",
ðræc n. "Drängen, Macht, Gewalt",
ðracu f. "Druck, Andrang, Gewalt",
as. mo:d-thraka f. "Kummer";
reduktionsstufig *þruhtu- in
aisl. þro:ttr m. "Kraft, Ausdauer",
ags. ðroht m. "Anstrengung; drückend",
russ. trógatI "berühren"
lett. treksne "StoÃ".
WP. I 755f., Vasmer 3, 139.'
So it's more likely a description of a river.
BTW it seems possible distinguish between a non-ablauting stem
*d/tran,W- with 'interested' semantics: "pull, carry; road; team
(member)" and an ablauting one *d/tren,W- "mud, clot, dirt, wet
obstruction"; as if the words were borrowed from a people who did the
transports, and from another one which wasn't interested (which might
be the locals, so the last stem might inherited in the respective
languages).
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> Turguntum = Turgon (Charentes-France) ?Â
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> and the celtic tribe :Â Duro-trige (?)
Possible. I have no means to refute it.
Torsten