Re: Re[6]: [tied] Re: [pieml] Labiovelars versus Palatals + Labiovel

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 61287
Date: 2008-11-02

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

> From: Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...>
> Subject: Re: Re[6]: [tied] Re: [pieml] Labiovelars versus Palatals + Labiovelar Approximant
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 6:10 PM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian M. Scott"
> <BMScott@...>
> To: "Arnaud Fournet"
> <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:57 PM
> Subject: Re[6]: [tied] Re: [pieml] Labiovelars versus
> Palatals + Labiovelar
> Approximant
>
>
> >
> > At 2:42:07 PM on Sunday, November 2, 2008, Arnaud
> Fournet
> > wrote:
> >
> >> From: "Brian M. Scott"
> <BMScott@...>
> >
> >>> I don't much care what you can check:
> you're the one who
> >>> tends to be sloppy about accurately
> representing sources,
> >>> not I. But since one of the references
> happens to be ready
> >>> to hand, I'll throw you a bone: Martin
> Harris, 'French', in
> >>> Martin Harris & Nigel Vincent, eds., _The
> Romance
> >>> Languages_.
> >
> >> P211 "complex vocalic nuclei".
> >
> > P. 214: 'French has three glide phonemes, /j/,
> /w/, and
> > /turned-h/.'
> =======
> P211.
> The author, which I remind you is your own choice, mentions
> explicitly that
> the presentation that follows is what he considers the best
>
> _interpretation_ (sic)
> And he gives an example <vieille> which he considers
> is Modern French /vjej/
> from Pre-Modern French /vieL/ (sic).
> All this can be easily checked on google books.

So, he left out the final /@/ of careful pronunciation, big deal!
Don't most people say viey, rather than viey@?

BTW: Harris's explanation squares with everything I've ever read
And you never answered my question about liaison in les huits