Re[4]: [tied] Re: [pieml] Labiovelars versus Palatals + Labiovelar A

At 1:16:27 PM on Sunday, November 2, 2008, Arnaud Fournet
wrote:

> From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>

>>>> (By the way, every serious linguistic description of
>>>> French that I've read gives French three glide phonemes,
>>>> /w/, /j/, and /turned-h/.)

>>> What kind of serious linguistic descriptions ?

>> The usual: outlines of phonology, morphology, and syntax,
>> often with a section on historical sources of the lexicon.

> Smokescreen ?

No. I answered the question that you asked. If you wanted
references, you should have asked for them.

> Nothing clear that can be checked.

I don't much care what you can check: you're the one who
tends to be sloppy about accurately representing sources,
not I. But since one of the references happens to be ready
to hand, I'll throw you a bone: Martin Harris, 'French', in
Martin Harris & Nigel Vincent, eds., _The Romance
Languages_.

[...]

>> Pope's §241 in full shows that an analysis of French that
>> distinguishes /u/ and /w/ has been possible at least since
>> the 16th century.

> You have a very strange way of drawing this paragraph §241
> in the direction that suites your unproved and inadequate
> approach.

> She speaks of "countertonic vowel" : this is what you
> translate as /w/ !!

No, I don't. Either you're having trouble with the English,
or you're being disingenuous.

Brian