Re: Scandinavia and the Germanic tribes such as Goths, Vandals, Angl

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

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> --- On Sun, 11/2/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> the Germanic languages we
> know now have all descended from a language that was spoken
> somewhere around Silesia 2000 years
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> ****GK: This must have been the language of the Przeworsk culture

people (PK). The PK was constituted in the 3rd c BCE in an area which
included Silesia, but also Central and Southern Poland. There is no
evidence that the language of Silesia differed from that of other
areas of the PK.****

Ok.

> which spread by a series of events which
> started with the campaign towards the south of a certain Harjagistaz
> (probably just a title) who also invented a writing system for that
> language by copying some alphabets of Noricum.
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> ****GK: This is Torsten's Ariovistus fantasy. He's been peddling
> this for years, has been repeatedly shot down, but keeps coming
> back with it. He just loves to flog dead horses.****

To all the innocent souls out there: George Knysh thinks I am a
dangerous heretic who wants to reintroduce the worship of Odin by
setting up statues with an altar before it in every village in
Scandinavia and make horse sacrifices and such. This upsets him
because he is a crypto-Odinist at heart and had plans to do the same
in his own and Odin's native country. Last time around it was
imperative to him to prove that Ariovistus was a minor functionary in
some Celtic army.

> If Proto-Germanic from Silesia is a language of Jastorf people in
> Silesia, the languages of Jastorf were Para-Germanic.
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> ****GK: Jastorf is indeed the main source of the PK. But it is also
> the main source of the Oksywie culture (the early Goths were there,
> with others), of the Poeneshti-Lukashovka culture (the
> Bastarnians), and to some extent of the Zarubinian culture (though
> here the Pomeranian "Venedic" element was more significant). Since
> there is no way of proving that the language of Silesia was more
> "Germanic" than that of Central, Northern, or Southern Poland, or
> that of Bastarnian Moldavia, it's best to assume that Jastorf was
> already "Germanic" prior to its expansion.****

Neither the rivers of Poland nor the rivers of Northern Germany have
undergone the Grimm-shift, so that shift, which defines Germanic-ness
in languages, must have taken place somewhere else.


Torsten