From: Francisco Antonio Doria
Message: 61145
Date: 2008-11-01
>oo-eek in
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> > >
> > > ==========
> >
> > You have cases like
> > Spanish continúo /kontinuo/ "I continue"
> > /k@.../
> > and continuo /kontinwo/ "continual" /k@...@l/
> > where /u/ and /w/ seem to be allophonic in both Spanish and
> > English
> > ===========
> >
> > i don't think Spanish
> > nor any Romance language (but northern French)
> > has a phoneme /w/.
>
> That's a crock of pure bolshevik.
> Spanish writes /w/ as <CuV>, generally as <guV> or <huV>
> French has <oui> /wi/
> ===========
> No,
> as regards French
> oui is a vocalic diphtongue [ui]
> as is shown from the fact
> that the homophone word ouie makes "liaison"
> such as les Z-ouies with Z in plural
> something that is impossible with a consonant initial.
> The fact that it sounds like [wi] is irrelevant
> from the point of view of French phonology,
> [wi] is a vocalic diphtongue /ui/
> and there is no /w/ phoneme.
> [w] is a "sound" not a phoneme.
> In slow "spelling" speech, oui is /u/+/i/ not **/wi/.
>
> I suppose a native speaker of English would never spell week as
> two syllables,tainted by
> but ouie is spelled this way : ou-i(e) two syllables.
>
> This is not true in Northern French
> where wagon is /wagoN/
> and **les Z-wagons is impossible.
> and wagon would not be spelled ou-a-gon.
> You can contrast it with les Z-oies /ua/
> standard French is les /V/agons with /v/ instead of /w/.
>
> and I guess the same is true in Spanish.
> huevos in plural probably syllabicates as lo-swe-vos
> not like los-we-vos
> but I'm not a speaker of Spanish so I let you say how it works.
>
> This has nothing to do with bolshevism,
> I'm afraid your phonological approach is a bit superficial and
> the fact you are a native speaker of a language where /w/ is a phoneme.
>
> Arnaud
>