Re: [pieml] Labiovelars versus Palatals + Labiovelar Approximant

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

> From: Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...>
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: [pieml] Labiovelars versus Palatals + Labiovelar Approximant
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:36 PM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick McCallister"
> <gabaroo6958@...>
> >
> > *u in kuh2on is a vowel,
> > *w in wid is a consonant,
> >
> > I don't understand what you mean
> > a vowel like *u and a consonant like *w cannot be
> > allophonic.
> >
> > Arnaud
> >
> > ==========
>
> You have cases like
> Spanish continúo /kontinuo/ "I continue"
> /k@.../
> and continuo /kontinwo/ "continual" /k@...@l/
> where /u/ and /w/ seem to be allophonic in both Spanish and
> English
> ===========
>
> i don't think Spanish
> nor any Romance language (but northern French)
> has a phoneme /w/.

That's a crock of pure bolshevik.
Spanish writes /w/ as <CuV>, generally as <guV> or <huV>
French has <oui> /wi/

>
> PIE had a consonantic phoneme /w/ and a vocalic phoneme /u/
>
> Your example is therefore irrelevant.
> Not to say that continUo and contInuo are not stressed in
> the same place.
>
> Arnaud
>
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