Re: [pieml] Labiovelars versus Palatals + Labiovelar Approximant

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

> From: Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...>
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: [pieml] Labiovelars versus Palatals + Labiovelar Approximant
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:03 PM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edgard Bikelis
>
>
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> *u in *kuh2on- is a vowel.
> *w in wid-tos is a consonant.
>
> they have nothing in common.
>
>
> Arnaud
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>
> But I deleted the *i from widtos! It's a vowel,
> isn't it?
> You mean that what we understand to be allophonic... *w *u
> is really two
> phonemes?
> Edgard.
> ========
>
> *u in kuh2on is a vowel,
> *w in wid is a consonant,
>
> I don't understand what you mean
> a vowel like *u and a consonant like *w cannot be
> allophonic.
>
> Arnaud
>
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You have cases like
Spanish continúo /kontinuo/ "I continue" /k@.../
and continuo /kontinwo/ "continual" /k@...@l/
where /u/ and /w/ seem to be allophonic in both Spanish and English