Re: Asian Migration to Scandinavia

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

> From: Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...>
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Asian Migration to Scandinavia
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 4:08 PM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick McCallister"
> <gabaroo6958@...>
> >>
> >> Like what words ?
> >> How can we state that a word is a substrate in
> Iberian when
> >> we hardly
> >> understand that Iberian language ?
> >> And know even less about that unplausible
> substrate.
> >> This sounds utterly absurd...
> >>
> >> Arnaud
> >
> > Unless Iberian was created ex-nihilo in Iberia and was
> the first language
> > there. it was the result of splits and encounters with
> other languages.
> > Even Icelandic has substrates: Gaelic, pre-Scandinavia
> substrate language
> > and pre-Germanic substrate language. And Gaelic has
> substrate as well --so
> > Icelandic has substrate of substrate.
> >
> ============
>
> Iberian was spoken in a continental dead-end
> and we know for sure that modern mankind came there.
> So It may have no substrate at all,
> but neighbors, most probably.
> I perceive your reasoning as theoretical,
> without the support of real data !?

Obviously it's theoretical. And we don't know if Iberian was or was not the first language in Spain

>
> Gaelic cannot be the substrate of Icelandic,
> but maybe an adstrate

Yes, this is a question of semantics --of when we can speak of Icelandic as opposed to W. Old Norse

> and pre-scandinavian language(s) are substrates to North
> Germanic,
> the ancestor of Icelandic among others.
> As far as I know there was nobody on that volcanic rock
> when some bold
> people first got there on drakkars.
> You seem to have a very lax use of the word
> "substrate".

There were supposedly Irish monks, according to some, but I imagine most got sacrificed to Thor pretty quickly. But on the way to Iceland, the pre-Icelanders did mix with Gaelic speakers in Scotland and with speakers of Pictish or whatever was speken in the Orkneys and Shetland, and Faeroes, if they were inhabited.

>
> Arnaud