Re: Asian Migration to Scandinavia

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 61050
Date: 2008-10-23

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

> From: Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...>
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Asian Migration to Scandinavia
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 3:25 PM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick McCallister"
> <gabaroo6958@...>
>
> >> ok,
> >> but Iberian seems to be the "ultimate"
> substrate,
> >> I mean the very first one to be on the spot.
> >> I don't think any of Uralic or
> >> "macro-Kartvelian" qualifies to the
> >> "ultimate" substrate of Tokharian.
> >> This leads to a very very complicated scenario of
> language
> >> overlapping.
> >>
> >> Arnaud
> >
> > Exactly and that's the way I perceive languages,
> as overlapping and as
> > sloppy as any other human endeavor. If languages were
> as orderly as many
> > people wished, poor Piotr would probably be out of
> work. But thanks to the
> > complexities of languages, he is gainfully employed.
> ****Re: Iberian, it too has substrates, we just don't
> know what they
> are.****
> Rick
>
>
> Like what words ?
> How can we state that a word is a substrate in Iberian when
> we hardly
> understand that Iberian language ?
> And know even less about that unplausible substrate.
> This sounds utterly absurd...
>
> Arnaud

Unless Iberian was created ex-nihilo in Iberia and was the first language there. it was the result of splits and encounters with other languages.
Even Icelandic has substrates: Gaelic, pre-Scandinavia substrate language and pre-Germanic substrate language. And Gaelic has substrate as well --so Icelandic has substrate of substrate.