From: tgpedersen
Message: 60956
Date: 2008-10-16
>Me?
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> --- On Thu, 10/16/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> > From: tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>
> > Subject: [tied] Re: Identity of the 'language of geminates'
> > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 12:39 PM
> > from the same article
> > Tom Markey
> > A Tale of Two Helmets: The Negau A and B Inscriptions, pp
> > 84-85
> >
> > 'Why, pray tell, would you "invent" an alphabetical system for
> > Germanic that included a phonologically redundant p (despite
> > non-peripheral items like *helpan and *hlaupan), unless, of
> > course, you were blindly derivative or wanted to use your alphabet
> > to transcribe Latin or had atavistically retained p as an
> > integral component from some prior alphabet (and phonological
> > system)? We recall Björketorp's sbA = OIc. spá. Indeed, Runic p
> > was apparently so rare initially that its acrophonic name *perþ-
> > (OE peorð beside cweorð = OIr. q(u)e(i)rt/c(u)e(i)rt, Ogham q) is
> > presumably a loan, probably from Gallo-Latin *perta > Welsh perth
> > 'hedge (as a divider or boundary marker)'; see Dictionary of the
> > Welsh Language (1995:3.44.2780). Cf. further *perþ- and
> > Gallo-Latin PERTAE dat. sg. of Perta, a local Gaulish goddess of
> > "the hedged-in garden" (Vistre, Nîmes, dép. Gard;
> > 2nd century AD); see Espérandieu (1929: No. 519). Welsh perth is
> > ultimately, it seems, from Lat. pert(ic)a, the Roman
> > surveying instrument par excellence, recall the pertica militaris
> > 'sectioned land allotments as payment deeded (Celtic and Germanic)
> > mercenaries'.
> . .
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> OK, I'm trying to square your statement that Perth < Latin with the
> fact that Perth in Scotland is outside the area colonized by the
> Romans.
> Can you explain that seeming contradiction?