Re: Present participle

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 60863
Date: 2008-10-13

--- On Sun, 10/12/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> From: tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>
> Subject: Re: [tied] Present participle
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 8:01 PM
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 10/12/08, tgpedersen
> <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> >
> > > From: tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>
> > > Subject: Re: [tied] Present participle
> > > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 6:49 PM
> > > >
> > > > Oh, I see. But another question I have is,
> if a root is
> > > > encountered only in Italic, Germanic, and
> Slavic, does that mean
> > > > we should probably reject it as being from
> PIE? I personally
> > > > feel that that is being rather harsh,
> especially when it is so
> > > > easy for languages to lose items of
> vocabulary (cf. Modern
> > > > English vs. Old English especially, but also
> many modern
> > > > European languages compared with their
> ancestors). Is there
> > > > another reason why you do not favour (a
> deliberate choice of
> > > > word here) the idea of a PIE root *ghow-
> (etc.) besides the
> > > > fact that if it occurred, it is only
> corroborated in Italic,
> > > > Germanic, and Slavic?
> > >
> > > Not 'should'. The fact that a particular
> IE word is encountered
> > > only in eg. Europe might make one suspect the
> word is substrate,
> > > but it's no proof. It takes more than that.
> > >
> >
> > Meillet had a short list of such words. Torsten, with
> all your
> > resources, you certainly have a lot more examples.
>
> Of words I'm certain are substrate? The archives are
> full of words I
> suspect are substrate, but I'm not 100% sure. What did
> you have in mind?
>
>
> Torsten

Meillet had very short lists of words that were W IE, vs. E IE. etc. I don't think he labeled them as substrate but the implication was there as I remember.
With all your personal archives, it would be nice for you to form such a list if you haven't already done so. Then we can see if they really are or not.
This of course raises the questions of how to tell the difference between substrate/adstrate vs. innovation.