From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 60849
Date: 2008-10-12
----- Original Message -----
From: "george knysh" <gknysh@...>
>
>>> > ==========
>>> To be more precise,
>>> I consider The Comb Ceramic Pottery to be Balto-Slavic.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Comb_Ceramic_ Culture
> This archeological is in the right place at the right time.
> (In my own scenario)
> Arnaud
>
> ****GK: The only "problem" here is that there is no way of deriving either
> the Baltic or the Slavic archaeological cultures of historical times from
> Comb-Ceramic, which is probably the reason why Russian, Ukrainian, and
> other ex-"Soviet area" archaeologists don't. On the other hand, there is a
> clear link between Comb-Ceramic and many historical Ugro-Finnish cultures.
> By "historical times" is meant the time frame when documents help to
> identify contemporary material remains. E.g. linking Sudovians or
> Prussians to culture A, Merya or Muroma to culture B, Siveriani to culture
> C etc.. Without such documents you only have the retroactive genetic
> approach, which, as mentioned, rules out archaeological links between the
> Balts and Slavs of ca. 1000AD and Comb-Ceramic.****
>
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The only problem as you say is that Finno-Ugric languages are not supposed
to be there in - 4200 BC.
We have maybe indications that the westward expansion of Finno-Volgaic
languages has spread over indo-european languages.
- Mordvin has a very clear Iranian and Indic substrate.
- Mordvin hydronyms are clearly indo-european,
And I will add that Saami has spread over a kind of Satem "balticoid"
language.
The general spread of Comb-Ceramic culture in the area east of Baltic sea is
coherent with a presence of Baltic in that area, with Indo-iranian being
the Dniepr-Don culture at its south.
Now I agree that the eastern half of that area around the Petchura is most
probably the homeland of the Finno-Volgaico-Permic branch of Uralic.
And don't come up with some absurd low datation of PIE split in -3500 BC.
Arnaud