Re: Hittite -anza(n)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Jarrette" <anjarrette@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:
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> > The explanation of their origin further in the past should take into
> > account the other H word with nom. -za but stem -n- : *gWanza *gWan-
> > 'woman' from earlier *gWana *gWan- (like Luwian wana- (with alt.
> > wanatti- < *widatti- 'widow')).
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> This may be needless off-topic speculation, but I noticed that the
> Luwian word <wanatti-> looks similar to the Greek word <ánaks> (gen.
> <ánaktos>) "prince, lord, ruler, king, etc." < *wanakt-. This word
> could have had a corresponding feminine *wanaktix, and for the
> sense-development, compare West Germanic <lady>, <Frau>, <vrouw>,
> which now mean more or less simply "woman". Could there be any
> possibility of loaning in one direction or the other, rather than
> derivation from *gWan-?

Unlikely; H gW- corresponds to Luw w- and there's also unatti- <
*gWna-ti- (Skt gna-).

> Also, what is the Hittite word derived from *gWanza *gWan-? The
> source I have lists *kuinna- "woman" and *SALni- "women".

Since the writing system came indirectly from Sumerian, sometimes
Sum. words are meant to stand for H words. In this word they added
the case endings to make the meaning clear: nom. SAL-za and dat.
SAL-ni stand for *gWantsa and *gW(a)ni (from earlier *gWana and *gWni)
based on comparison with Luw wana-.

> The former
> seems clearly connected to IE *gWenx-, but where does *gWanza fit in?

I think the z (ts) came from analogy with sumanza, etc.