Re: Negau

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Jarrette" <anjarrette@...>
> >> -
> >> The list was intended to be seen as evidence for borrowing.
> >> Otherwise one would be claiming that people knew agriculture at
> >> the time of the earliest language splits, which is obviously not
> >> true.
> >> Torsten
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> I suppose people realized cereals could be eaten before agriculture
> came into being.
> Arnaud
> ============

No, people realized cereals could be eaten only several millenia after
agriculture came into being. In the meanwhile, it became a problem to
find places to store the ever growing harvests which were considered
inedible.

> > I see. By "earliest language splits" are you referring to the
> > splits that led to the various branches of IE, or are you
> > referring to a possible split that led to IE on one hand and
> > Semitic (and maybe Kartvelian, Uralic, Yeniseian, etc.) on the
> > other? I'm still a little confused: if agriculture in the
> > Fertile Crescent began around 9500 BC according to Wiki, then you
> > are saying that the split between IE and Semitic/etc. occurred
> > before this?
> =========
> Personally, I think the PIE/Semitic split happened around -25000,
> if you believe in glottochronology.
> Arnaud
> ===========

Not yours.

> > And if you _are_
> > referring to the intra-IE splits, how early did these splits
> > occur?
> > And when did Indo-Europeans acquire agriculture? Who taught it to
> > them? And what people are the source of the common agricultural
> > vocabulary in (at least western) IE? Is it the Semites? Perhaps
> > there is a chronology of language development and agricultural
> > development on the Internet?
> ========
> Anatolian Indo-Europeans contributed to the creation of agriculture
> in Anatolia,
> and later on, from -6500 onward, agriculture spread to other
> Indo-europeans populations in Eastern Europe,
> and then passed to all of them, etc.
> Arnaud
> ===========

Textbook stuff.
Pigs and dogs were first domesticated in China. They are typical
Austronesian animals (PAustronesian beRek " pig", Latin porcus).
European/Middle East millet is genetically indistinguishable from that
of the Far East.
The IE name for rye is suspiciously similar to that of rice.


Torsten