From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 60158
Date: 2008-09-19
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
To: "Arnaud Fournet" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
>
>>> The OFr isn't from ON; it's from Late Latin <mariscalcus>,
>>> attested in the 6th century in the sense 'groom' and in the
>>> 9th century as 'commander of an army'. This in turn is from
>>> the Continental Gmc. compound represented by OHG
>>> <marahskalk> and OSax. <maraskalk>.
>
>> Well,
>> This is only half true.
>> http://www.bartleby.com/61/24/M0122400.html
>
> I know what the AHD says; ATILF/Trésor takes the same view,
> which is the traditional one. But the fact that it appears
> in a Latin form in the 6th century shows that shows that the
> borrowing was not into OFr, but into Late Latin or
> Gallo-Romance (unless there was a second, later borrowing).
>
> Brian
>
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Dear Excellence,
What is your source for mariscalcus ??
Cf.
http://users.skynet.be/am016110/FILES/INSTITU/Marechaux.html
Les affirmations, à ce sujet, d'un chroniqueur fabuliste (Jean
d'Outremeuse), ne peuvent prévaloir contre les dires des anciens historiens
ni contre les documents authentiques dont aucun ne mentionne le mot
mariscalcus antérieurement au XIIIe siècle.
The word "mariscalcus" according to this site is not attested until the XIII
century !!
Arnaud