Re: The OIT state of the art

Actually, what appears to have set Gobineau off on his racist track
was his experience of miscegenation in Brazil - a country he loathed
although he was a friend of the emperor.

As for no French work on IE roots - what about Grandsaignes
d'Hauterive - pas bon mais il faut avouer que cela éxiste.

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> >>
> >> >> =========
> >> >> Answer :
> >> >> The concept of Indo-European proto-language is a modernized
> >> >> version of the Japhetic and Scythic hypotheses that go back to
> >> >> the XVI and XVII century.
> >> >> The racialization of this linguistic concept was done by the
> >> >> Germans in the second half of the XIX century.
> >> >
> >> > Gobineau was German? Live and learn.
> >> >
> >> ============
> >> As far as I know,
> > You don't know far enough, I'm afraid.
> ===========
> I'm afraid you are in very bad shape these last days,
> Your last performance about "knife" is quite poor.
> Arnaud
> ===========
>
> >> French people have not invented the 1000ige Reich.
> >> and all subsequent ideas about Aryans.
> > Not subsequent. Here's your chance to know further.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_de_Gobineau
> > But this is getting OT.
>
> ============
> I don't know what OT stands for.
> but I believe some aristocratic freak born from a Haiti Creole

grand-mother

> and brought up in Switzerland hardly is a typical French.
> What about digging up some Afrikaaner Huguenot and claim he is French ?
> I definitely consider as un-French all these aristocratic people who

first

> fled and comploted against France and then sneaked back.
> This treachery duly cost Louis XVIII his head. He deserved it.
> And all these people who undeservedly tried to sneak back just

contributed

> to the downfall of the country.
> It's little wonder that Gobineau fell into an abyss of complete

indifference

> in my country.
> Arnaud
> =========
> >
> >> As a matter of fact, PIE is rather a confidential item in the
> >> French cultural landscape.
> >> There is no equivalent of Bartleby IE roots of English.
> >
> > Countries consisting of regions of diverse ethnic and national origins
> > like France, Sweden and Belgium have no interest in waking sleeping
> > dogs by encouraging rummaging in the past.
> ===========
>
> ???
> Please explain.
>
> Arnaud
> ==============
> >
> > >
> >> >> The statement that the British invented PIE as a by-product of
> >> >> colonialism is just absurd.
> >> >
> >> > The real reason can be found in
> >> > http://lib.ru/DPEOPLE/PARKINSON/parkinson.txt_Ascii.txt
> >> > C. Northcote Parkinson:
> >> >
> >> > It is obvious and clear that those of the candidates who were
> >> > sent out to rule India without any talent beyond that of writing
> >> > Greek and Latin verse, plenty of time on their hands and no
> >> > entertainment other than afternoon tea would go all gaga when
> >> > confronted with a language so similar to those otherwise useless
> >> > ones they had mastered at great investment in time and patience,
> >> > cf. the famous words of Sir William Jones in Calcutta.
> >> >
> >
> >> ===========
> >>
> >> The scythic / japhetic idea is as old as the XVIth century
> >> and Bopp studied four years in Paris before publishing his famous
> >> work.
> >
> > What's Bopp got to do with anything? In the Anglophonic hagiography of
> > historical linguistics William Jones started it. In the German and
> > Danish ones it's a contest between Rasmus Rask and the brothers Grimm.
> ===========
> Jones is a complete idiot, who believed Hindi and Sanscrit were not

related.

> It's a shame that the "Anglophonic hagiography" has chosen such an

idiot as

> initiater.
> There is no real doubt Bopp is the real source.
> Arnaud
> =============
> >> The role of the British is the development of IE comparatism is
> >> rather small.
> >> Apart from making Indian data more easily available.
> >
> > Britain is historically composite too. Celtic revival ultimately cost
> > them Ireland.
> > Torsten
> ==========
>
> I definitely do not see how you get from my statement to your reply.
>
> Arnaud
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>