From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 60131
Date: 2008-09-18
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From: "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
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>> >> =========
>> >> Answer :
>> >> The concept of Indo-European proto-language is a modernized
>> >> version of the Japhetic and Scythic hypotheses that go back to
>> >> the XVI and XVII century.
>> >> The racialization of this linguistic concept was done by the
>> >> Germans in the second half of the XIX century.
>> >
>> > Gobineau was German? Live and learn.
>> >
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>> As far as I know,
> You don't know far enough, I'm afraid.
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I'm afraid you are in very bad shape these last days,
Your last performance about "knife" is quite poor.
Arnaud
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>> French people have not invented the 1000ige Reich.
>> and all subsequent ideas about Aryans.
> Not subsequent. Here's your chance to know further.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_de_Gobineau
> But this is getting OT.
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I don't know what OT stands for.
but I believe some aristocratic freak born from a Haiti Creole grand-mother
and brought up in Switzerland hardly is a typical French.
What about digging up some Afrikaaner Huguenot and claim he is French ?
I definitely consider as un-French all these aristocratic people who first
fled and comploted against France and then sneaked back.
This treachery duly cost Louis XVIII his head. He deserved it.
And all these people who undeservedly tried to sneak back just contributed
to the downfall of the country.
It's little wonder that Gobineau fell into an abyss of complete indifference
in my country.
Arnaud
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>
>> As a matter of fact, PIE is rather a confidential item in the
>> French cultural landscape.
>> There is no equivalent of Bartleby IE roots of English.
>
> Countries consisting of regions of diverse ethnic and national origins
> like France, Sweden and Belgium have no interest in waking sleeping
> dogs by encouraging rummaging in the past.
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???
Please explain.
Arnaud
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>
> >
>> >> The statement that the British invented PIE as a by-product of
>> >> colonialism is just absurd.
>> >
>> > The real reason can be found in
>> > http://lib.ru/DPEOPLE/PARKINSON/parkinson.txt_Ascii.txt
>> > C. Northcote Parkinson:
>> >
>> > It is obvious and clear that those of the candidates who were
>> > sent out to rule India without any talent beyond that of writing
>> > Greek and Latin verse, plenty of time on their hands and no
>> > entertainment other than afternoon tea would go all gaga when
>> > confronted with a language so similar to those otherwise useless
>> > ones they had mastered at great investment in time and patience,
>> > cf. the famous words of Sir William Jones in Calcutta.
>> >
>
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>>
>> The scythic / japhetic idea is as old as the XVIth century
>> and Bopp studied four years in Paris before publishing his famous
>> work.
>
> What's Bopp got to do with anything? In the Anglophonic hagiography of
> historical linguistics William Jones started it. In the German and
> Danish ones it's a contest between Rasmus Rask and the brothers Grimm.
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Jones is a complete idiot, who believed Hindi and Sanscrit were not related.
It's a shame that the "Anglophonic hagiography" has chosen such an idiot as
initiater.
There is no real doubt Bopp is the real source.
Arnaud
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>> The role of the British is the development of IE comparatism is
>> rather small.
>> Apart from making Indian data more easily available.
>
> Britain is historically composite too. Celtic revival ultimately cost
> them Ireland.
> Torsten
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I definitely do not see how you get from my statement to your reply.
Arnaud
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