Re: Haplogroup I

From: george knysh
Message: 59825
Date: 2008-08-19

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, tgpedersen wrote
> george knysh wrote:
> > > the only archaeologically significant "mixing" of Zarubinian
> > > and Przeworsk cultures ocurred not sooner than 50 CE (in the
> > > area of today's Western Ukraine). It resulted in the creation
> > > of the hybrid "Zubrytska" culture, in which Zarubinian elements
> > > were dominant.
> > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********
> > What is the 50 CE date based on?
> >
> > Torsten
>
> GK: I'd have to check my sources. But it seems there is no room
> for error. It's a combination of pottery style change analyses
> (both "local" and imported), jewellery style analyses, building
> technique developments etc etc etc the whole gamut of unearthed
> material culture objects archaeologists delight in. If you're
> interested I can give you references when I get home from L.A.

Yes, please.

Torsten

****GK: Translation and abbreviation from V.D. Baran, ed., "The Slavs of Southeastern Europe in the pre-state period", Kyiv: Naukova Dumka, 1990.

p.90: (After an initial paragraph where Kozak and Pachkova, the authors of this section ("Chronology and periodization") of chapter I (which discusses the first quarter of the first millennium CE) establish that the first evidence for Przeworsk in the upper Dnister region dates from the first century BCE, they go on as follows:)

"The end of the late La Tene period in the Przeworsk culture is fixed by the materials of burial n. 3 in Hryniv, with a fibula and multiple items of weaponry pertaining to the years 20-40 CE [with a reference to Smiszko's analysis in "Kultury wczesnego okresu epoki cesarstwa rzymskiego...", p. 128].

(They follow with a paragraph listing nine other important Przeworsk sites in the upper Dnister and Volynia areas, with ceramics datable to the 1rst c. BCE according to the analysis of Dombrowska in "Wschodnia granica kultury przeworskiej...", Tables II and III). Then:

"A large amount of dating material exists for the middle of the first century CE. This is the Luchka burial complex, with a fibula of the first half of the century, and fibulae of the A-68 type of the years 40-70 CE" (They conclude that these "early Roman period" Przeworsk items prove that the culture still existed as a distinct entity in the mid-first century CE)

P.91: "The development of the Przeworsk culture in the Dnister and West Volynian areas does not exceed the middle of the first century CE. From that time begins its integration with the Zarubinian and Lypetsk cultures, which leads to the creation of the Volynian-Podolian group." [GK: Kozak will later coin the label "Zubrytska culture" (after a site) for this "Volynian-Podolian group"] The ceramic material of the earliest Volyno-Podolian sites is characterized by the combination of late La Tene and "early Roman" Przeworsk forms...Analogous settlements (as to such ceramics) in Poland are dated to the second half of the first century CE. In the sites of the Dnister and West Volynian regions of this period an important percentage of the ceramic material has Zarubinian and Lypetsk forms."

(In earlier sections, Maksimov and Pachkova had demonstrated that the integration of Przeworsk, Zarubinia, and Lypetsk changed the earlier Przeworsk settlement size, dwelling construction type, ceramic type , and jewellery. They had also stated that the first Zarubinian and Lypetsk elements began to infiltrate into the area in the initial decades of the new millennium, but remained distinct from Przeworsk for about a generation. The Zarubinians came from the Polissia group, which progressively vacated its earlier haunts during the first half of the first century.The Lypetsk people were migrants from Dacia.) ****