Re : Res: [tied] Nereus, Nerthus, Njord and a few other thoughts par

De: Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>
Objet: Res: [tied] Nereus, Nerthus, Njord and a few other thoughts part 1
À: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Date: Vendredi 25 Juillet 2008, 15h05

----- Mensagem original ----
De: A. <xthanex@... com>
Para: cybalist@... s.com
Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 24 de Julho de 2008 23:07:28
Assunto: Re: [tied] Nereus, Nerthus, Njord and a few other thoughts part 1

--- In cybalist@... s.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@... > wrote:
>
> At 12:35:12 PM on Tuesday, July 22, 2008, A. wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > The Norse Vanic aquatic deity Njord is supposed to be
> > linguistically related to Nerthus (via the Proto-Gmc
> > Nerthuz).
>
> > If we can connect Nerthuz with Nereus we might then assume
> > a rather precise match between Njord & Nereus.
>
> > C. Gwinn stated:
> > "There likely is a connection between Nereus and the Irish
> > Nera (who seems to be a late reflection of the Gaulish god
> > Nerios, the tutelary divinity of the healing waters at
> > Neris-les-Bains, France)."
>
> [...]
>
> > In light of this evidence does it seem valid to suggest
> > that all are derived from *Ner(1)- , meaning "under"?
>
> Why not a basis in the cluster *h2ner- 'man', *h2ner-to-
> 'virile, strong', etc.?
>
> Brian

Brian,

I'm not a linguist, which is why I always come asking opinions of you
guys. But to base the female deity Nerthus in *h2ner- 'man' seems
strange.
Furthermore, while *h2ner- certainly could be the source of the other
male deities, it seems very peculiar when we see that Njord & Nereus
are blatantly aquatic gods, Nerthus and the Gallic Nerios also have
strong aquatic connections. Why is the "Ner" aspect so evident among
the names for aquatic deities?
With that in mind, it seems more likely to me that the names stem
from something related to that watery aspect/function.

Sincerely,
Aydan
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1 - I think there's Nrtu in Sanskrit meaning "strenght". Although ON Njordr and Grk Nereus were sea-gods, I can't see an etymological link.
2 - Could Njo¨rDr/Nerthus related to Jo¨rDr/*Erthus "Earth" ?
3- The pair Njo:rDr/Freyr is a relict of IE Twins, like SKr Nasatya. Could be Njo:rDr and Nasatya related?
4- Njo:rDr is linked to sea, ships, winds, gulls... his wind-quality, maybe a link to Skr Vayu? Or to Apam Napat, the subterranean waters? *Nerthuz < *Ni-ertu-, or *Ner-ertu-, "under-earth" ?

JS Lopes

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