Re: Scythian tribal names: Paralatai

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "david_russell_watson" <liberty@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:

> > > > The changes involve n > n. > N after a velar which returns
> > > > to n much later in most IE (but not if nasal dissimilation
> > > > occurred first like Latin -go:(n-) or Iranian *xakYmnixYno-
> > > > > *akYm.n.iyn.o- > *akYm.NayNo- > *asagaina- 'of stone').
>
> I don't recognize *asagaina-, and it would have been nice,
> and normal practice, to indicate its language, but, if it's
> indeed derived from *h2ek^-, it's likely better attributed
> to *h2ek^- with some suffix other than *-men-, saving us the
> bother of such gyrations as you require to eliminate it in
> the end.

I'm not the one who went to the trouble of eliminating *m:
Indo-Iranian *as^(m)an- 'stone, sky (as dome/vault of stone)' to Skt
as'(m)an-, Av asan-, asman-. The der. from *H2ak^m(o)n- (my
*xakYmo:n.) is already standard. It probably came from kmn > km,n
before a vowel, or something similar, with m, > a regularly.

> Writing of normal practice, I must add that I don't myself
> appreciate having to address the likes of "xakYmnixYno-",
> "akYm.n.iyn.o-", and "akYm.NayNo-". These are to me no more
> than excerpts from an interesting con-lang of your invention
> which happens to somewhat resemble Proto-Indo-European.
>
> > If there was no intermediate N stage, why *asagaina- instead of
> > *asanín(a)-, etc?
>
> Tell me your basis for *asagaina- and possibly I can answer,
> though, as I say, I very much doubt that the suffix *-men-
> is involved.

As I wrote before (an excerpt):

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:

> I'd also say NN combos, including those in later analogical
> creations, remained. Neither -mn.V- nor -mYn.V- was reduced in PIE.
> Various branches had some changes including:
>
> *dhéxYmó(n.)+ /
> *dhóxYmó(n.)+ '(a) placing on/together, heap'
> *dhóxYmn.ko+, -ik+, -id+ 'cord, rope' > fu:nis, tho:miGx
>
> *kn.,mYn., > *kUmen
> *kn.,mYn.ixYn.o+ 'made of blocks of wood' > Slavic
> *kUni:go+ 'book, etc.'
>
> *xakYmo:n.
> *xakYmn.ixYn.o+ 'made of stone' > OP
> atha(n)gaina-

The Old Persian form is fairly clearly related to asan- instead of
just the stem *as- (with optional n by analogy with the noun *athan-).
The creation of an adj. (of composition, etc.) with *-ixYn.o- > L
-i:nus, Skt -in(a)-, etc., is common, but no other *-gaina- or
anything similar exists. The g-n and g-n in isolated unanalyzable
forms in L, Slavic, and Iranian is grounds for assuming a change of X
> g (N-n > g-n and n-N > n-g are therefore the best fit, since n is
seen in the base and the suffix).