Re: Charudes - Croatians

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@> wrote:
> >
> > Here's the version I've always run into:
> > Here, from online etymological dictionary, but I've
> > seen it many other places. What's wrong with it?
> >
> > http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=cravat
> >
> > cravat
> > 1656, from Fr. cravate, from Cravate "Croatian," from
> > Ger. Krabate, from Serbo-Croat Hrvat "a Croat," from
> > O.Slav. Churvatinu "Croat," lit. "mountaineer,
> > highlander," from churva "mountain" (cf. Rus. khrebet
> > "mountain chain"). Cravats came into fashion 1650s in
> > imitation of linen scarves worn by Croatian
> > mercenaries in the French army in the Thirty Years
> > War.
>
> Whatever the origin, I can't believe in arguments that take *xorv-
> from 'horn' instead of related to *xorn- from PIE 'move (cattle)' >
> 'watch, protect (cattle)'.
>

My suggestion:
cf ON harvaðafjöll "Carpathian Mountains" with Harudes. These two
words pretty obviously have the same origin, which means that the
Croatians, pace Gol/a,b, were named after the mountains they came from.


Torsten