The Beast was Re: [tied] Re: Scientist's etymology vs. scientific et

From: stlatos
Message: 59154
Date: 2008-06-09

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
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> --- stlatos <stlatos@...> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> > <gabaroo6958@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- stlatos <stlatos@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick
> > McCallister
> > > > <gabaroo6958@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > piztia is from Latin bestia, which is from ???
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > If from any IE language it would be from
> > > > *gWHexYr(o)+ (traditional
> > > > *gWHe:r 'wild beast').
> > > >
> > > So, how do we get there?
> > > I can see Latin fer- and Greek ther- coming out of
> > > *gWHe:r-
> > > What happened to the /r/?
> > > Where does the ending -st- come from?
> > > Can you explain at an easy level w/o
> > abbreviations?
> >
> > It may not be from any IE language; it could be
> > borrowed from some
> > other group. If from IE xYr > rxY > ry > rc^ > sc^
> > which had to be
> > fit into Latin phonology; gYHw > gWH > bH (similar
> > to Greek).
> >
> Okay, it's a bit less murky if you look at ther- <
> *pher- and not from *dher- and you keep in mind Greek
> /p-/ > /t-/
> You want to hazard a step-by-step evolution?

Of Greek? There are forms with ph- and th-. The changes were:

gYHw
kYHw
kWH
kYH before e in dialects
tYH
tH

In other dia. KW > P or KW > K.