Re: Scientist's etymology vs. scientific etymology

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> > > > Cheese is another golden calf in the world of etymology.
> > > > "Such luck that latin had caseus. Now we can wrestle the
> > > > germanic words to fit the theory that the word for hard
> > > > cheese came from the latin word!" The celtic languages has
> > > > this word too and I do believe reading something about the
> > > > celts being the first in Europe to make hard cheese...
> > >
> > > Early Irish <cáise>, like the WGmc. words, is an early
> > > borrowing of Latin <ca:seus>. Derivation of the WGmc. words
> > > from an early loan from Latin isn't problematic (apart from
> > > the odd case of WSax. <cy:se>). Your emphasis on 'hard'
> > > seems quite arbitrary.

So we have alternation in the original word *kuzi-/*kazi- "salty".
That would make it a word of the ur-/ar- language (cf. *up- vs.
*akW-/ap- "water").

NBTW North Germanic uses another word for "cheese"
DEO:
ost "cheese", c., ODa. oost, No. ost, OSw. o:ster, Sw. ost, Sw.dial.
u:st, ON ostr (where o- seems shortened from ó-); as loanword from
North Gmc. in Finn. juusto "cheese"; from Gmc. *ju:sta- (hardly
*justa-), PIE yu:sto, a *-to derivation to PIE yu:s- etc "soup", to
which also Latin iu:s, iu:ris "juice, soup" ... The older Gmc. cheese
thus was kind of 'cheese soup'.


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