From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 59038
Date: 2008-06-04
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From: "stlatos" <stlatos@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:58 PM
Subject: [tied] Latin sitis (was: The oddness of Gaelic words in p-)
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> From: "stlatos" <stlatos@...>
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:15 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: The oddness of Gaelic words in p-
> I'd say that an original noun/adj. formed that verb. If so,
> *pediko- was the original form, like *sitikos 'thirsty' > siccus
> 'dry', with (perhaps not regular) middle V>0 between two consonants.
> If it was regular, the type of C would have counted.
> ***
>
> Patrick:
>
> I must have passed something by. Where is *sit-, 'thirst', attested?
>
> ***
Nowhere, Latin sitis < *ks.itis < *gWHdiitYis < *gWHadaytus.
Compare Skt ks.itiH 'destruction', Gk phthisis 'decay, wasting away'.
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Patrick:
Completely unbelievable. Semantics are especially bad.
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> Therefore *pediko- was a noun/adj. I couldn't tell if it meant
> 'sin' or 'sinful', and it could have been both, but I said nothing
> about its origin, whether formed from noun or verb.
> ***
>
> Patrick:
>
> Looking at *pedika:-, I suspect we are dealing with two nouns: *ped-,
> 'stumble', and *ka:-, 'faeces'. with an original meaning of ritual
> uncleanness.
>
> ***
No.
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Patrick:
Dodona has spoken.
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> > By the way, Watkins derives Latin <pedica> 'fetter, snare'
> > from *ped-ika:, which suggests that your alternative
> > derivation of <pecca:re> wouldn't work anyway.
>
>
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>
> Patrick:
>
> I think this is fairly transparently *ped-, 'foot', + *k(h)a:-, 'hurt'.
>
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No.
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Patrick:
Your full argument is quite interesting if severely brief.
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