Re: The oddness of Gaelic words in p-

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From: "stlatos" <stlatos@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: The oddness of Gaelic words in p-


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:
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> At 2:11:40 PM on Tuesday, June 3, 2008, stlatos wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
> >> They're the same root.
>
> > Then why would you say the word I gave meant 'footic' not
> > 'falling, fallen (into sin)' as if it was unconnected to
> > the meaning?
>
> Because you presented it as an adjectival derivative in
> *-iko- of a noun,

No, I said:

I'd say that an original noun/adj. formed that verb. If so,
*pediko- was the original form, like *sitikos 'thirsty' > siccus
'dry', with (perhaps not regular) middle V>0 between two consonants.
If it was regular, the type of C would have counted.



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Patrick:

I must have passed something by. Where is *sit-, 'thirst', attested?

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Therefore *pediko- was a noun/adj. I couldn't tell if it meant
'sin' or 'sinful', and it could have been both, but I said nothing
about its origin, whether formed from noun or verb. I didn't feel it
mattered where it came from and since you already brought up the root
*ped- I didn't think any further description was necessary.

> and I understand *ped- to be 'foot'
> nominally and 'stumble, fall, walk' verbally.


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Patrick:

Looking at *pedika:-, I suspect we are dealing with two nouns: *ped-,
'stumble', and *ka:-, 'faeces'. with an original meaning of ritual
uncleanness.

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If you believe this you had no reason to think I had changed the
meaning from 'fall' to 'foot'; I said absolutely nothing about the
meaning.

Since you quoted 'fall' for *ped- and I had a derivative of *ped-
with no other meaning given, why would you act as if I had given an
odd meaning like 'footic' to it and use this imaginary meaning as an
argument against my derivation?

> By the way, Watkins derives Latin <pedica> 'fetter, snare'
> from *ped-ika:, which suggests that your alternative
> derivation of <pecca:re> wouldn't work anyway.


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Patrick:

I think this is fairly transparently *ped-, 'foot', + *k(h)a:-, 'hurt'.


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As I said, the change might not have been regular, and later
derivations wouldn't have to show the irregularities of the older ones
anyway.