Re: The oddness of Gaelic words in p-

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
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> > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "mkelkar2003"
> > > <swatimkelkar@> wrote:
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http://dnghu.org/Indo-European-Languages/viewforum.php?f=13&sid=5a341258abb3261b7aae1ad952c54a0d

> > > >
> > > Thank you, MKelkar. Because, in it, I find
> MacBain's
> > > An Etymological
> > > Dictionary of the Gaelic Language, with 2 pages
> > > worth of words in p-
> > > http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2/mb28.html#MB.P
> > > http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2/mb29.html
> > > http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2/mb30.html
> > > which is odd, since Gaelic is a q-Celtic
> language.
> > > Some of the frequent explanations from Latin are
> undoubtedly
> > > correct, but you're struck by the tortuousness
> of some of the
> > > derivations, both the semantic and the
> morphological ones ('formed
> > > from', indeed), and the equally frequent
> explanations from English
> > > are no really an explanation either since 'true'
> Germanic words
> > > can't have p- either; some are even not known in
> other Germanic
> > > languages than English. So, are they Venetic,
> and have we found
> > > the missing language of Eastern England? It does
> sort of look
> > > vaguely Italic.
> > > Torsten
> > >
> > Scots Gaelic words beginning in /p-/ are either
> going to be
> > innovations in Scots Gaelic, or loanwords
> > from Germanic (Scots, English, Flemish, Norn or
> Old Norse);
> > from Italic/Romance (Latin, French);
> > from P-Celtic (Cumbric, Pictish);
> > or from its hypothetical (non-IE?) precursor.
> > These are the known languages spoken in Scotland
>
> Please don't remind of what McBain says. I've read
> it. That's why I'm
> proposing something else. I suggest you take a
> closer look at his
> etymologies. They are in general a poor fit,
> semantically and
> morphologically.
>
> > Take a look at what is known about Pictish and see
> what you can find
>
> No way. Why would Pictish words appear in Welsh and
> English?
>
> Torsten
>

I wasn't talking about Pictish words appearing in
Welsh and English. I was talking about Pictish words
--which may or may not appear in Scots. The most
obvious one is pett- "parcel, piece (of land)".